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    在座诸人，以张澜的年纪最大，已近七旬高龄，他刚才一直默默听着，没有说话，这会儿，他问道：”韩先生，在教育方面，你认为中西优劣如何？”</br></br>韩立洪道：“张老，提到教育，就不能不提及新文化运动。”</br></br>一说到新文化运动，胡适和傅斯年等人的神情立刻都专注起来。在新文化运动中，胡适是旗手，傅斯年是闯将，是五四运动的学生领袖之一。当年火烧赵家楼，曹汝霖的家就是这位傅闯将领着愤怒的学生干的。</br></br>新文化运动号称是中国的启蒙运动，承继的衣钵是近代西方启蒙运动，韩立洪继续道：</br></br>“西方启蒙运动是在封建制度解体、集权社会形成的社会条件下发生的相应的思想解放和变革，从社会发展水平来看相当于我们春秋战国时期的百家争鸣，是由社会政治、经济体制变革引起的思想变革。因此，我认为中国社会真正意义上的启蒙运动发生在两千年前，而新文化运动并非是由中国社会内部自身结构变化所引起的思想变革，而是在西方集权资本的侵华战略推动下发生的。”</br></br>韩立洪这么一说，胡适和傅斯年的脸色都变了，虽然他们也认为在新文化运动中，言论和行为都有过激之处，但韩立洪这等于是全面否定了历来备受赞扬的新文化运动。</br></br>在韩立洪面前，胡适和傅斯年都有足够的耐性，听韩立洪把话说完之后，他们才会表达自己的见解，所以默默听着，没有即刻反驳。</br></br>韩立洪接着道：“我们鼎盛之时，四方宾服。这不是武力征讨的结果，而仅仅是处于优势的文明辐射出的影响所致。西方列强很清楚这个道理，所以，他们劫掠世界，都是让传教士比枪炮先行。西方列强比我们自己更清楚我们的力量，他们知道要想真正打败我们，就必须消灭我们的文明。所以，我说新文化运动并非是由中国社会内部自身结构变化所引起的思想变革，而是在西方集权资本的侵华战略推动下发生的。”</br></br>“当今中国，官僚买办资本是最反动的一群人，他们比那些公开的汉奸还要可恶万倍，危险万倍，他们是列强在中国的代言人，是不是传教士的传教士，新文化运动就是这些人利用我们救亡图存的焦急心里在幕后推波助澜，达到他们消灭我们传统文化的目的。”</br></br>胡适和傅斯年的脸色一直不好，直到这最后一句，他们的脸色才缓和了下来。被利用总比被指为买办汉奸好多了，何况，被利用的又何只是他们，被利用的人多了去了，**首先就跑不了。</br></br>黄炎培道：“韩先生，这个你详细说说，我有点听不明白。”</br></br>听不明白不只是黄炎培，点了点头，韩立洪道
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